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帖子发表于: 星期二 七月 19, 2005 2:26 pm    发表主题: Backpacking Gear List 引用并回复

Keep your backpack as light as possible. You will have to carry all your belongs by yourself. NO ONE WILL CARRY THEM FOR YOU.

Do not take anything with you that you won't use every day. Try to take items that have multiple uses. DO NOT TAKE ALL THE "NICE TO HAVES" ITEMS. Keep it simple.

How to choose your gears: (REI expert advice)

Shelter & Sleeping:
Tent w/ Footprint
Sleeping bag in a stuff sack
Sleeping pad : foam or self-inflated

Packing
Backpack : Internal Frame or External Frame
Stuff sacks : freezer bags, garbage bag
Rain Cover : for backpack

Clothes
Shell/fleece/base layer(non-cotton)
Hat/Gloves
Pants (non-cotton)
Hiking shoes
Hiking Socks
Underwear

Cooking
Stove/Fuel/Match
Cooking pot
Water Filter

Essentials & Other Items
Whistle
Walkie-talkie
Hiking Pole
Headlamp w/extra batteries
Nalgene Water Bottle (wide-mouth)
Sunblock
Sun glasses
Fist aid kit (personal)
Mosquito Net/Insect Repellant
Pack towel
Toothbrush/Toothpaste
Toilet paper
bowl/spoon/fork/chopstick
Sanitation Trowel

Foods suggestions:
Breakfast: bread/cup noodle/coffee/tea
Lunch: power bars
Dinner: freeze dry food
Snack: chocolate/beef jerky


Weight your options

Reference:
How to Pack Your Backpack
Packweight is Relative!
How to pack 18-Pound for 3-Day backpacking
How to pack 27-Pound for 3-Day backpacking

Recommended Reading
http://www.backpacking.net


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帖子发表于: 星期三 八月 17, 2005 9:59 am    发表主题: How to choose a sleeping bag for backpacking trip? 引用并回复

How to choose a sleeping bag for backpacking trip?

Based on my personal experience, there are several factors need to be considered.

- Temperature -
Usually sleeping bags are rated by temperature, such as 30F or so. For summer trips, most of time 30F should be enough for lower altitude places. However, if you are going to high sierra at 10,000+ ft elevation, you need to prepare 20F or below. This temperature rating is also good for spring/fall camping. But if you are considering winter camping on snow, somewhere 5F or below is necessary.

Tip: For cold weather, I like to fill boiled water into a Nalgene Bottle and use it to warm up my sleeping bag and get a good night sleep.

- Weight -
As you need to carry all the camping gears in your backpack, so every ounce of weight counts. Therefore, a light-weighted bag is always a better choice. So consider bags of less than 3 lbs (for snowcamping, less than 4 lbs).

- Length -
Talking about how to choose the right length of a bag, try to get the shortest one that is just enough for your height. Any extra length causes extra weight and also more important thing is that extra space in the bag will actually make it less warm than it is supposed to be.

- Synthetic or Down -
Usually down bag is lighter than synthetic. Nowadays, the weight difference between the two is not much any more. However, synthetic one is always more bulky compared to down one. The merit of a syntheric bag is that you can still use it when it gets wet. But for a down bag, it will be a different story. So if you are expecting any wet weather or creek crossing, either bring a synthetic one or put your down bag in a waterproof bag.

- Shape -
The most common shape of sleeping bags is either mummy or rectangular one. Go get a mummy one, as it does not have an open space near your shoulder, therefore much warmer.

These are all I can think of for now based on my limited knowledge. Please feel free to share your experience or bring up any questions.


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帖子发表于: 星期五 十月 14, 2005 12:57 pm    发表主题: 神六菜谱 for backpackibg 引用并回复

News reported 神六菜谱 sound very delicious and nutricious. They are excellent candidates for backpacking food.
Can entrepreneur in this Club ask China to transfer technology and manufacture and market them in US? I bet REI would be very interested.
I like to be the first one to try them in High Sierra love

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航天大厨揭密“神六菜谱”

… 在神六上,将要飞行五天的两名航天员将会食用哪些食品呢?北京科技报报道,记者了解到,鲍鱼、大虾、宫爆鸡丁都将有望成为随神六上天的菜肴。

  航天员航天食品研究室主任白树民,是中国主持研制中国航天食品的专家,被公众称为“航天员的大厨师”。他告诉记者,带上神五的食品都是即时食品,不需要加热、也不需要加水,而在神六上,航天员将可以吃到热食热饮,食品种类将从神五的二三十种增加到四五十种

  蔬菜水果一个不少

  复水菜是典型的太空食品。在加工时,蔬菜要经过烫熟、调味、干燥、装盒等程序。食用时,只需要加入一定的水。菜叶一旦变湿,就会“还原”成餐桌上的熟菜,而且色香味样样俱全,完全可以与普通餐桌的菜肴媲美。

  为了能让航天员在太空也吃上水果,航天食品的研究员们特制了“冻干水果”。在水分脱掉的情况下,仍然保持水果的风味,种类包括菠萝、水蜜桃、哈密瓜、草莓等等,四季水果都有涉及。

…“我们‘神六’上很有可能会带上‘宫爆鸡丁’和‘鱼香肉丝’。”白主任说。据了解,这些菜都将采用罐头密闭保存。神五上的食品是即食食品,块状,食用时都不需要餐具。但是在神六上,菜品中还有粒状的、条状的,航天员将采用勺和叉子进行食用。

  神六上的食品之丰富简直让人惊讶。罐头、复水菜、冻干水果、糕点、主食、饮品等等应有尽有,而每一种类都有多种选择。像“鲍鱼”、“咸水大虾”、“鱼香肉丝”、“宫爆鸡丁”、“墨鱼丸”、“牛肉丸”、“叉烧肉”、“红烧猪肉”都是带到神六上的“种子选手”。研究员透露,在神六飞船上,仅仅是在主食方面,就包括白饭、八宝饭、咖喱饭、什锦炒饭四个品种,航天员们可以每天换着食用。
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帖子发表于: 星期二 六月 13, 2006 9:10 am    发表主题: 引用并回复

The 10-Plus Essentials are necessary before you entering the backcountry


01, Map (in a watertight case)
02, Compass (plus an optional GPS receiver)
03, Extra clothing (men's, women's, kids')
04, Extra food and water
05, First-aid kit
06, Headlamp or flashlight (with extra batteries)
07, Matches (storm proof, or in a watertight container)
08, Fire starter
09, Knife (or multi-use camp tool)
10, Sunglasses
11, Sunscreen
12, Water filter (or other method of water treatment)
13, Whistle
14, Food storage device
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帖子发表于: 星期五 七月 21, 2006 3:50 pm    发表主题: lightweight backpack 引用并回复

For those who can't carry too much weight, you might consider the following gears.

Weight Your Options

Base Gear = 6 lbs 13 oz
Backpack: Granite Gear Vapor Trail - 32 oz (2 lbs)
Shelter : REI Minimalist Bivy - 15 oz
Sleeping bag: Mountain Hardware Phantom 32 - 21 iz (1 lbs 5 oz)
Food Storage: Bear Vault 250 - 30 oz ( l lbs 14 oz )
Sleeping pad: Thermares z-Lite 3/4 - 11 oz

Clothing = 2 lbs 6 oz
Midweight Long Sleeve T
REI Shara Convertible Pants
Marmot Essence Rain Shell
REI Power Stretch Pullover
REI Power Stretch Tights
REI Sleeveless T

Other Gears
Stove: Snow peak giga power canister stover - 3.5 oz
Pot: Evernew Tianium Kettle - 4.5 oz
Spork: REI TiWare Spork -.6 oz
Towel: MSR Packtowl - 3 oz
Sunblock: REI One Sunblock -2 oz
Repellent: Ultrathon Lotion Bug Repellent - 2 oz
Knife: Geber Evo Jr. Knife - 1.8 oz
Water Bottles: Platypus Big Zip 2 L - 4 oz
headlamp: Petzl Tikka Plus - 3 oz
1st aid kit: Adventure Medical Ultralight - 5 oz
Water filter: Kathdyn MicroPur Tablets (30) - .9 oz
Hiking Pole: REI Peak UL Trekking Pole - 11.2 oz
Mosquito Net: Deluxe Spring Head net - 2.2 oz
Shoes: Montrail HardRock TrailRunners - 26 oz (1 lbs 10 oz)

Total weight: 13 lbs 8 oz
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帖子发表于: 星期五 七月 21, 2006 4:02 pm    发表主题: 引用并回复

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帖子发表于: 星期二 八月 22, 2006 1:40 pm    发表主题: 引用并回复

If you like to buy a backpacking stove but not sure what to buy, here's a good website for MSR Liquid Fuel Stoves and Canister Fuel Stoves.
http://www.ampro.co.nz/products/MSR/stoves/stoves_&_fuel.htm

Bottom Line:
Liquid Fuel Stove: require some skill to operate, inexpensive fuel, fuel bottle reusable.
Canister Fuel Stoves: user friendly, fuel canister is expensive and required special recycling. Disposal of empty fuel canisters poses a problem as even when empty, can explode when crushed by a trash compactor.

gg 写到:
Fuel Canister recycle : REI does not take it back for recycling, but we can recycle it the regularly way with other household recycle items.
Proper precedure as follows:

1. burn the fuel completely
2. drill a hole on the the canister (with a nail or can openner)
3. put in recyle bin

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帖子发表于: 星期四 十一月 16, 2006 11:09 am    发表主题: Re: Backpacking Gear List 引用并回复

Molly 写到:


Clothes
Shell/fleece/base layer(non-cotton)
Hat/Gloves
Pants (non-cotton)
Hiking shoes
Hiking Socks
Underwear


Why non-cotton?
Rolling Eyes

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帖子发表于: 星期四 十一月 16, 2006 11:19 am    发表主题: Re: Backpacking Gear List 引用并回复

umesu 写到:
Molly 写到:


Clothes
Shell/fleece/base layer(non-cotton)
Hat/Gloves
Pants (non-cotton)
Hiking shoes
Hiking Socks
Underwear


Why non-cotton?
Rolling Eyes


heavy and not easy to dry when wet.
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帖子发表于: 星期四 十一月 16, 2006 11:21 am    发表主题: Re: Backpacking Gear List 引用并回复

umesu 写到:
Molly 写到:


Clothes
Shell/fleece/base layer(non-cotton)
Hat/Gloves
Pants (non-cotton)
Hiking shoes
Hiking Socks
Underwear


Why non-cotton?
Rolling Eyes




REI Expert Advice 写到:
More than any other, the moisture-management layer influences how you regulate your body temperature. Have you ever worn a cotton T-shirt under your raincoat while you hiked or walked briskly? Even though you weren't getting wet from rain, you probably felt wet and cold.

Trapped inside your clothing, perspiration can leave you chilled, no matter how well your outer shell fends off rain and snow. Cotton does an effective job of retaining perspiration where it can leave you feeling chilled.

Your next-to-skin layer should be materials other than cotton. Silk, wool and synthetic wicking fabrics such as REI MTS®, Patagonia® Capilene®, Polartec® PowerDry® and CoolMax® polyester work to transport perspiration from the skin. Rather than absorbing moisture, these fabrics disperse it on the outer surface, where it can evaporate. The result: You stay warmer even when you sweat.

Examples: Keeping dry is important for maintaining a cool body temperature in the summer and avoiding hypothermia in the winter. Base layers can be anything from briefs and sports bras to long underwear sets (tops and bottoms) to tights and sport shirts. Thermal underwear is available in light-, mid- and expedition-weights. You can select the right weight to match your activity and the temperature.

Some garments are designed to fit very snugly for better performance, range of motion and easier layering. For hot weather, the wicking layer often consists of a loose fitting, mesh garment.


More detail about layering can be founded from REI Expert Advice

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Thank you, I_love_CA and Molly!!
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帖子发表于: 星期四 一月 04, 2007 11:27 am    发表主题: Silk Lining for Sleeping Bag 引用并回复

Some of my TwU Mtn Club alumni are planning a group order of silk lining for sleeping bag, to be custom made in Shanghai. Others have purchased it from eBay. But eBay source and quality might not be reliable. Thought NP friends in BAD could know better sources in China.

YL 写到:
经过我到上海十六铺面料市场(相当于台北迪化街的永乐市场)几个卖丝料的摊位走了一圈,经燃烧鉴定法,了解:百分之百丝可以谈到的最低价格,为一米50元人民币(宽 100公分)。一个睡袋约五米(加上枕套),工钱谈到每个最低25元人民币(十个以上),故每个睡袋为人民币275 元,约台币1100-1200元之间。

若是70%、60%丝,价钱比较低,连工带料,可以 185元人民币做。以上价位,都比ebay的贵一倍以上。所以若ebay的是百分之百真丝,那么,就选择ebay如何?况且现在夏天过去,上海薄丝料的颜色选择不多,还不如ebay的花色多。

... 若有人一定要求「凝脂般触感」的百分之百真丝内袋,也可以私下跟我开单啦。
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帖子发表于: 星期二 六月 17, 2008 10:31 am    发表主题: Sleeping Bag Buyers' Guide 引用并回复

from Backcountry.com Newsletter

Down Insulation

Advantages

Lightweight: Down sleeping bags weigh far less than their synthetic counterparts, which makes down the insulation of choice for anyone obsessed with saving weight.
Compressible: Despite all the advances in synthetic insulation, no one has yet made a synthetic bag that compresses as small as one filled with down insulation.
Long lasting: Down withstands the torture of repeated compression and retains loft far better than synthetic insulation. This means that down bags tend to stay warm longer than synthetic bags which lose a little loft each time they get stuffed into a pack.


Disadvantages

Poor insulation when wet: Sleeping in a wet down-insulated sleeping bag is a miserable experience. Soak the insulation completely, and the down actually steals your body heat. If you’re using a down sleeping bag in wet climates, you need to take every precaution to keep it dry. If you do get your down bag wet, it may take a very long time to dry completely.
Expensive: Down sleeping bags almost always cost more than their synthetic counterparts. However, since they last longer, the cost difference becomes minimal over the longer term.


Get One If:
*Weight is your primary concern.
*You can take the hit to your checking account.
*You have enough attention to detail to keep your bag dry






Synthetic Insulation

Advantages

Relatively inexpensive: Synthetic insulation prices run the range from ultra-cheap to may-as-well-be-made-from-gold, but on average it tends to be much cheaper than down insulation. However, synthetic sleeping bags need to be replaced sooner than down ones, so the cost-savings aren't as impressive as they appear.
Insulates when wet: You may have heart that syntitic insulation is "warm when wet." but this isn't realy the case. Any sleeping bag feels like a sack of wet pancake batter when wet and makes for a miserable place to sleep. Unlike down, however, synthetic fill retains a good portion of its insulation properties. You won’t sleep well, but you won’t be nearly as miserable as your friend who dropped his down bag into the river.


Disadvantages

Short life: Synthetic insulation loses a bit of loft each time you cram it into a stuff sack. If stored properly, a synthetic bag lasts several years of occasional use. Someone who goes out every weekend can easily wear out a synthetic sleeping bag in a single season.
Heavy: Even the lightest synthetic insulations weight more than down.
Bulky: While some of the new insulations have made progress on the problem, synthetic sleeping bags just don't stuff as small as down-filled ones. While compression sacks help this issue, they also wear out sleeping bags faster than regular stuff sacks.


Get One If:
*You're on a tight budget.
*You plan on spending lots of time in wet environments.
*You're more concerned with idiot-proofness than weight

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