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Follow-Up Trip for 1/23 Birdwatching in Central Valley

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I'm thinking that birdwatching again this coming weekend (2/5). But there are still fog / haze in the morning central valley.according to forecast. What do you think about it? Is next weekend too late to watch these migrating birds? Do you want to watch birds again? What's your schedule?

Also, anyone else are highly welcome to join this birdwatching activity.
I have other commitment on Sat 2/5. How about Sun 2/6? Meet at the same place, Marina Foods in San Mateo/Foster City, at 7am?
If you have a full day, we could go up Sacramento Natl Wildlife Refuge, a much bigger place.
Please see report and photos for 1/23 trip.
We hope to see and photograph more than birds showed up in previous trip:
    Sandhill Crane 沙丘?Q
    Tundra Swan ?鱸?天?Z
    Snow Goose 雪雁
    American White Pelican 白?Y??
    Common Yellowthroat ?S喉?L
    Red-tailed Hawk 剪尾??
    Prairie Falcon 原隼
    American Kestrel 美洲剪隼(雀??)
    Great Horned Owl 大角??鏂??
    Wilson's Snipes 田??
    Pintail ??尾??
    Green-winged Teal 小水??
    American Wigeon 葡萄胸??
    various sandpipers ??
Please dress in plain or natural color but not all white, brilliant, strips nor prints.
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Sunday (2/6) ok to me. The only thing I worry is haze / fog in the morning,
so that visibility is poor, which is not good for both driving and birdwatching.
So can we shift the departure time from 7:00am to 7:30am or even 8:00am?
Because no use to arrive early and wait haze / fog to dissipate there.
Sacramento Natl Wildlife Refuge looks is too far away, the one way will take
probably at least 3 hrs. Also I may have some friends from photograph group
to join this birdwatching / photographing.
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發表發表於: 星期五 二月 04, 2005 10:14 pm    文章主題: Change to meet at 7:30am 引言回覆

chun 寫到:
So can we shift the departure time from 7:00am to 7:30am or even 8:00am?....
Sacramento Natl Wildlife Refuge looks is too far away
OK, let's meet at 7:30am. I think Mei and others won't object.
Meet at Marina Foods 永和市場, 2992 S. Norfolk St., San Mateo.
You are right, we will go to Sacramento NWR next tiime.
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Nice birding pictures! Very Happy

Al, 現在的NPhopper 在你的帶動下真成了山水花鳥,無所不玩啦! Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green
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發表發表於: 星期二 二月 08, 2005 12:07 pm    文章主題: Nice day to photo, nice people and thousands of birds 引言回覆

9 ppl showed up on 2/6, Sunday, a much nicer day than previous trip. Chun rounded up 3 of his phtotographer friends, Grace, Charles and Howard, joined by 3 NPhoppers, Mei, Yithan amd me, as well as my young alumnae, Weipeng and his bride, Tang-Chi.

The pro's photos are different, see the Red-tailed Hawk and Sandhill Crane. There will be more to be posted in 攝影論壇 of http://www.chinesephotographers.net/
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More posting at
http://www.chinesephotographers.net/bbs/read.php?f=1&i=18078&t=18078
http://www.chinesephotographers.net/bbs/read.php?f=1&i=18076&t=18062
http://www.chinesephotographers.net/bbs/read.php?f=1&i=18064&t=18064
Each followed by technical or non-technical discussion. I learned something from there.
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發表發表於: 星期四 二月 10, 2005 9:43 am    文章主題: More Pro's Pix 引言回覆

http://chinesephotographers.net/bbs/read.php?f=1&i=18094&t=18094
http://chinesephotographers.net/bbs/read.php?f=1&i=18095&t=18095
http://chinesephotographers.net/bbs/read.php?f=1&i=18093&t=18093
We saw this beauty by Staten Island Road.
大白鷺 Great Egret 灣區也常見,但精彩的照片可不常見喲!
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發表發表於: 星期四 二月 10, 2005 11:46 am    文章主題: Re: More Pro's Pix 引言回覆

Hi, Al, 這次我拍到一隻鷹,有點象你的logo,可惜拍糊了,
不過大緻輪廓還在。俺把圖貼在這里,你看看是什麼鷹?



另外這次觀鳥沒有看到雪雁(Snow Goose)。難道雪雁飛走
了嗎?還是在別的什麼地方這個時候仍然可看到這種雁?謝謝
你的解答。
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chun 寫到:
這次我拍到一隻鷹,有點象你的logo,可惜拍糊了,不過大緻輪廓還在。俺把圖貼在這里,你看看是什麼鷹?
憑一張照片不好猜,體型大小和細微的特征看不到。如果比最常見的紅尾鷹稍小,可能是雄性的澤狂鳥(狂在上、鳥在下,念qiang2,俗稱“鷂子”,Northern Harrier)。如你看到背面屁股有白帶,就可確定。因我們有看到兩三隻鷂子低飛。其他如鏽鷹 Ferruginous Hawk (和紅尾鷹同大或稍大)較少見。

我的logo 是加里福尼亞神雕 California Condor。看我的博客 Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green

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另外這次觀鳥沒有看到雪雁(Snow Goose)。難道雪雁飛走
了嗎?還是在別的什麼地方這個時候仍然可看到這種雁?
雪雁有一回我在 Woodbridge Road 底,看到幾百上千一大群。可能她們往北挪一點。據 Sacramento NWR Complex 一月份統計有三十萬隻 http://sacramentovalleyrefuges.fws.gov/WATERFOWL%20SURVEY%20SUMMARY%20early%20Jan%2005.htm 他們用 White goose 的名稱。在北邊 I-5 旁的 Colusa NWR 最多,有十三萬多隻,咱們可去看看。那邊應有白面黑?q White-faced Ibis,我這一季還沒看過呢!
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chickengrandma 寫到:
我的logo 是加里福尼亞神雕 California Condor。看我的博客 Mr. Green Mr. Green Mr. Green

江湖上人稱「神雕俠劉過」是也 Laughing Laughing Laughing

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chickengrandma, I highly doubt you were standing beside the condor. Confused I think it's not a condor, but it looks like a vulture because the bird doesn't have feather on the head which is the commonality of a vulture.
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發表發表於: 星期一 六月 27, 2005 9:57 pm    文章主題: Re: Condor and Vulture 引言回覆

connieb 寫到:
the bird doesn't have feather on the head which is the commonality of a vulture.

You are right in this part. Jin Yong (金庸) did describe in his book how ugly Yang Guo's (楊過) condor was.
However, Cathartidae family 美洲鷲科 has 3 spieces in U.S.
    - Turkey Vulture (Cathartes aura) 火雞禿鷲, common in all U.S.
    - Black Vulture (Coragyps atratus) 黑鷲, in E. and S. U.S.
    - California Condor (Gymnogyps californianus) 加州雕, in California, endangered
In China, there are 5 spieces of vulture. But they are grouped with eagles and hawks as Accipitridae family 鷲鷹科
    - Cinereous Vulture (Aegypius monachus) 禿鷲 Mongolia, Gansu, Qinghai and N. Xinjiang
    - Red-headed Vulture (Aegypius calvus) 黑兀鷲 rare in W. Yunan
    - Himalayan Griffon (Gyps himalayensis) 高山兀鷲 Tibet along Himalayan Mtn, part of Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan and Yunan
    - Oriental White-backed Vulture (Gyps bengalensis) 白背兀鷲 rare in S. Yunan
    - Lammergeier (Gypaetus barbatus) 胡兀鷲 Tibet, part of Qinghai, Gansu, Sichuan and W. Xinjiang
The above 2 families, Falconidae family 隼科 and couple others form the Order of Falconiformes 鷹形目.


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You're really a bird expert. Good knowledge for me. Let me put it this way: vultures, eagles, hawks and condors should belong to the same big family, but vultures don't grow head feather but others do. Right?
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connieb 寫到:
vultures, eagles, hawks and condors should belong to the same big family, but vultures don't grow head feather but others do. Right?

Hehe, they all belong to a big Order of Falconiformes 鷹形目. It brings about an interesting question of why New and Old Worl Vultures are different? There has been a theory of convergent evolution 異源同化論:
Don Roberson 寫到:
The New World Vultures, or "cathartid vultures," are the carrion-eating "buzzards" of the New World. They are similar in many ways to the 15 species of Old World Vultures (carrion-eating habits, bare heads, strong bills, incredible powers of flight) but the two groups have evolved separately from different ancestors. Indeed, the two sets of vultures -- New World and Old -- are among the world's best examples of convergent evolution (Houston 1974). There is some evidence that New World Vultures evolved from the stork lineage (DNA hybridization studies by Sibley & Ahlquist 1990, others summarized by AOU 1998), but apparently there is recent biochemical and other research contrary to this theory (e.g., papers presented at 2002 A.O.U. convention; see also Griffiths 1994).

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例如過去在鳥類的分類體系上,食肉性的新世界禿鷹( New World Vulture)由于食性及外部特徵的關系,一直被認為和舊世界禿鷹( Old World Vulture)的類緣關系較近,但根據解剖資料卻認為新世界禿鷹應和一些鸛類關系較近;後來 Avise等人將這些受爭議的鳥類之分子形質資料加以分析,結果新世紀禿鷹應和鸛類的類源關系較近。這顯示了在生物演化過程中,由于內外在環境因子的改變,單憑外部形質來界定類源關系是可能有錯誤的,前例即是因環境因子導緻新世紀禿鷹趨同演化,造成其外形及食性接近舊世紀禿鷹的結果。
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